BluenoseAl wrote:Methodists most certainly do baptize infants. As for the rest of the "Wesleyan Distinctives" mentioned on the Wikipedia page, I'm not seeing a whole lot of differences from Mennonite beliefs.
BluenoseAl wrote:Thank you to those who have responded so far. I'm a little surprised this thread hasn't gotten more bites -- perhaps some who might otherwise post are on vacation?
Based on the responses so far, it would seem that classical Wesleyan Methodist theology is somewhat closer to Mennonite theology than I previously understood. Perhaps that may partially explain why the ancestor of whom I spoke found his calling as a Methodist minister. (At that time, it was actually called the "Methodist Episcopal" church; "United Methodist" came much later).
With the exception of sanctification by the Holy Spirit, as cited by others, it would seem that the beliefs of the Primitive Methodist Church in particular are similar to CM beliefs in many ways:
Wayne in Maine wrote:In many practical ways there are similarities between Wesleyans and Mennonites, and given how much modern revivalism owes to the Wesleyan tradition, and the influence of Revivalism on modern Mennonites, one should expect a lot of wesleyan ideas have been assimilated into Mennonite spirituality.
Mr Jim wrote:Sacrament vs Ordinance would be an issue I suppose...
First, always to retain a lively sense, that God is above all means. Have a care, therefore, of limiting the Almighty. He doeth whatsoever and whensoever it pleaseth him. He can convey his grace, either in or out of any of the means which he hath appointed. Perhaps he will. "Who hath known the mind of the Lord or who hath been his counsellor" Look then every moment for his appearing! Be it at the hour you are employed in his ordinances; or before, or after that hour; or when you are hindered therefrom: He is not hindered. He is always ready, always able, always willing to save. "It is the Lord: Let him do what seemeth him good!"
Secondly. Before you use any means, let it be deeply impressed on your soul; -- there is no power in this. It is, in itself, a poor, dead, empty thing: Separate from God, it is a dry leaf, a shadow. Neither is there any merit in my using this; nothing intrinsically pleasing to God; nothing whereby I deserve any favour at his hands, no, not a drop of water to cool my tongue. But, because God bids, therefore I do; because he directs me to wait in this way, therefore here I wait for his free mercy, whereof cometh my salvation.
Settle this in your heart, that the opus operatum, the mere work done, profiteth nothing; that there is no power to save, but in the Spirit of God, no merit, but in the blood of Christ; that, consequently, even what God ordains, conveys no grace to the soul, if you trust not in Him alone. On the other hand, he that does truly trust in Him, cannot fall short of the grace of God, even though he were cut off from every outward ordinance, though he were shut up in the centre of the earth.
Thirdly. In using all means, seek God alone. In and through every outward thing, look singly to the power of his Spirit; and the merits of his Son. Beware you do not stick in the work itself; if you do, it is all lost labour. Nothing short of God can satisfy your soul. Therefore, eye him in all, through all, and above all.
Remember also, to use all means, as means; as ordained, not for their own sake, but in order to the renewal of your soul in righteousness and true holiness. If, therefore, they actually tend to this, well; but if not, they are dung and dross.
Lastly. After you have used any of these, take care how you value yourself thereon: How you congratulate yourself as having done some great thing. This is turning all into poison. Think, "If God was not there, what does this avail Have I not been adding sin to sin How long O Lord! save, or I perish! O lay not this sin to my charge!" If God was there, if his love flowed into your heart, you have forgot, as it were, the outward work. You see, you know, you feel, God is all in all. Be abased. Sink down before him. Give him all the praise. "Let God in all things be glorified through Christ Jesus". Let all your bones cry out," My song shall be always of the loving-kindness of the Lord: With my mouth will I ever be telling of thy truth, from one generation to another!"
Mr Jim wrote:I really like the Weslyan Quadrilateral..
BluenoseAl wrote:What I do find interesting, however, is that Methodists who wish to pursue Divinity studies are welcome to do so at AMBS, while they complete the Methodist-specific aspects of their training at other institutions.
Bootstrap wrote:BluenoseAl wrote:What I do find interesting, however, is that Methodists who wish to pursue Divinity studies are welcome to do so at AMBS, while they complete the Methodist-specific aspects of their training at other institutions.
Richard Hayes, William Willimon, Stanley Hauerwas, and a bunch more Methodists also seem to fit rather comfortably into the Mennonite camp in many ways.
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